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I get this feeling that the ascendance of Bern and Drumpf are actually the same phenomenon going through different prisms: a very large cohort of people finally waking up to the fact that they are not in the state of being embarrassed by temporary poverty, but are the leftovers of decades of wealth extraction by the 0.1%, and will not reach the standard of living their parents did, under any circumstance. In Bern's case it is young people who realize following the script has left them with an eduaction for jobs that do not exists and undischargeable debt that they will never recover from, preventing them from ever getting housing they couldn't afford anyway; in Drumpf's case it's older white folks realizing that decades of neo-con trickle-down union-busting globalization lies did actually not lead to their promised prosperity but shoved them to a place where they will now suffer at the same rates as the minorities they could always before safely look down on and feel superior to.

The young ones are ready to share and create collective solutions, so for they go for the centrist* candidate who shares their sense of collective responsibility and collective solutions. The middle-aged ones will still not ever vote blue, but flock to the candidate who started his campagn as a promotion for his reality TV shows and just kept going when he realized his complete and utter lack of credentials, sense, and scruples allowed him to tap into the rage and got him massive amounts of what currently in marketing is called "earned media"**.

But in both cases we're looking at people who see no realistic future of prosperity for themselves. And every time an establishment candidate starts a speech about how America has never been any better than now, like Romney did when denouncing Drumpf this week, these voters know they are being lied to (the America they are in is not better to them than it was to their parents) and tune out to the rest of the message. No matter how well Obama did on the economy, it continues to be extractive, with the "sharing economy" (Taskrabbit, Uber) being a codification of it. People will flock to a man too populist and intellectually weak to even be a proper fascist so they can protest-- that is how fed up they are--or awake.

So working through it by writing, I guess Drumpf voters are what happens when a Marxian awakening takes place in a proletariat with no sense of solidarity for, or trust in, each-other.

*Yes, I am European: Sanders is a centrist.
**Exposure paid for not by an advertising budget, but by sharing and repeating.

Date: 2016-03-05 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pinkfish.livejournal.com
It's funny to talk to Americans about Drumpf. I find them re-inventing Marx (and in some cases, Mao!), not realizing that they are actually taking on Communist (with capital C!) (ha! See what I did there?) talking points. They find it a bit disturbing when I point this out. I learned most of what I know about Marx and Mao from Monty Python skits (backed up by some wikipedia reading to discover that, not surprisingly, the Pythons were actually pretty accurate in their representation), so I figured everyone knew at least the basics of what they have been demonizing for generations. But I guess it isn't so.

Date: 2016-03-05 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fj.livejournal.com
Which parts? Class war?

Date: 2016-03-05 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandor-baci.livejournal.com
I challenge that. Mao Tse-Tung did NOT win "World Forum" by naming the winner of the 1959 Eurovision Song Contest as SING LITTLE BIRDIE. He lost -- the Carrs took second place with that song, not first. The Pythons thereby traduced history and betrayed the working classes: The public humiliation suffered by the Chairman on that occasion, which emboldened revanchist elements to attack him, is thought to have led more or less directly to the Cultural Revolution, his tool for re-consolidating power in his hands. A tragedy for China and her peoples, and one from which, for their own reasons, the Pythons wished to direct viewers' attention at the expense of the truth.

Date: 2016-03-05 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rsc.livejournal.com
This is kind of depressing -- and probably all too accurate.

Date: 2016-03-05 10:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jered
"a proletariat with no sense of solidarity for, or trust in, each-other."

So, we're headed toward the former-USSR? Lovely.

But, yeah, I think this is an interesting and probably accurate analysis. I look around at the bubble that some of us live in, in cities like SF or Boston or London-sorta, and I just don't see how this is sustainable. I don't understand how our housing prices can keep going up-up-up... who is able to buy these?

And this week we're in a bizarre white Republican enclave that my parents live in in Florida, and it's like the even more dystopian version.

Date: 2016-03-07 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] picosgemeos.livejournal.com
I hadn't seen your points put across this way before, anywhere else - I think you're spot on.

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